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#1 hinachan

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 01:15 PM

I saw this on YouTube, and it really sickened me...skip to about 3:00 in the video, and you'll see it happening:


The next part of the video shows the police trying to take it down, but the flag gets torn up and stuck at half-mast. The crowd is, understandably, getting very upset by what has happened. ;)


The reason it happened is that some Californians turned out to protest the fact that Maywood announced that it was going to be a haven for illegals. They even dismantled their traffic police division, so that illegals don't need to worry about being pulled over for traffic violations.

So a bunch of illegals turned out to counter-protest, claiming that America "stole" their land (when Mexico actually sold it to the USA after the Mexican-American war). They even took down the American flag from the post office, replacing it with the Mexican flag. This is, of course, highly illegal; also, hoisting a foreign flag on a federal building is an act of war. When the cops tried to take the flag down, the illegals threw rocks and bottles at them. Yet no arrests were made.

You'd have to watch through the other videos posted on YouTube, to see what else happened--an old man, as well as a woman, were beaten up by a group of the counter-protesters. The woman had to be taken to a hospital, according to several bloggers who were there. They also reported that cars belonging to black and white people were vandalized; one man's car was left unscathed, because he'd had the forethought to leave a Mexican flag draped over his dashboard.

It doesn't matter which side you take on this issue, actions like these are just plain wrong.

Los Angeles' ABC and CBS affiliates covered the event. But on their newscasts, no mention of the violence was made, and no footage of the flag incident was shown.

I guess now we have to get our news on YouTube. :unsure: I am truly and utterly sick of the media in this country.

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 01:45 PM

I thought both sides were a bit crazy. The mexican flag should have never been put up especially in another country. If the american flag was put up in ...lets say..china...all hell would break loose. The violent acts against the cops was also uncalled for. Maywood should have never claimed to be a 'haven' for illegals because a city shouldn't show that kind favoritism.

But the 'american' side aren't exactly innocent either. Calling the mexican flag a 'diaper' or a 'rag' or even suggesting they 'burn' it is just as irresponsible. Beheavior like that will only provoke the immigrants even more.

...jeez, this is only going to cause more tension between mexican immigrants and americans. Its so sad to see that people within the same country are so divided....

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 02:02 PM

People let their pride get in the way. My family says the same things, like "They took our land from us blah blah blah." Despite the country's history and all, you shouldn't flaunt your opinions and put yourself in jeopardy for a few seconds of fame. :unsure:

Cultural differences should be accepted, but theres always people that have to screw that up for everyone. Theres too many cultures in America to be trying to tell someone that their flag shouldn't be put up and that it should be burned, yet the American flag is a symbol of America and everyone living in it.

I rarely watch the news anymore, unless its about something that happened in my area. They cover up what people should be seeing...sigh.

I'm starting my new job on Wednesday, and theres alot of Mexicans that work there, alongside whites and whatever.
So my father says "Watch out for those mexicans, and no I'm not being rascist" Wtf, theres so many things wrong with that sentence and yet I can't say anything about it.
I was like, " Why Mexicans? Why not the White people? Or just people that work there?" He really pisses me of sometimes,hes rascist and denies it to protect himself. Sorry I just had to get that out...lol

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 02:12 PM

Plain wrong!! this is just......:unsure: where is mywood because somebody had a flag ccalled welcome to welcome to mexiwood or something.

Edited by megawarrior, 28 August 2006 - 02:13 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2006 - 02:23 PM

That is just so rude and disrespectful.

And I think if you dont respect the land your living in then quite frankly (and excuse my next sentence) get the hell out.

America sure as hell doesnt need any more problems within its own country, we get BS every day from the rest of the world.

And the media should be ashamed.

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 02:28 PM

That is just so rude and disrespectful.

And I think if you dont respect the land your living in then quite frankly (and excuse my next sentence) get the hell out.

America sure as hell doesnt need any more problems within its own country, we get BS every day from the rest of the world.

And the media should be ashamed.

^ I entirely agree.



I didn't watch the whole thing, only the part where you see the flag waving in the air. WTH?! That is so disrespectful to do, and especially since it's ILLEGAL. This really pisses me off. :unsure:

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 03:43 PM

That is just so rude and disrespectful.

And I think if you dont respect the land your living in then quite frankly (and excuse my next sentence) get the hell out.

America sure as hell doesnt need any more problems within its own country, we get BS every day from the rest of the world.

And the media should be ashamed.


Well, I've since found out that CNN's Lou Dobbs has just done a report on the Maywood debacle. I missed it, but it'll repeat tonight, so I'm going to video tape it and see what he had to say. I'm no fan of Pat Buchanan, but since he's written that book about the immigration issue, the Maywood incident is going to be discussed when he goes on some talk radio show today or tomorrow. So maybe the rest of the media will finally pick up on this.

I didn't watch the whole thing, only the part where you see the flag waving in the air. WTH?! That is so disrespectful to do, and especially since it's ILLEGAL. This really pisses me off. :unsure:


Don't worry, it seriously PO'ed the Americans who watched it happen, too. You can see in the video, those people had been quite peaceful (in fact, the footage leading up to this was positively BORING!), until the flag incident occurred. I will admit that the anti-immigrant protesters, at least they weren't yelling racial slurs, they were just griping about the flag. They were getting frustrated because they thought the police weren't taking it down--but the cords actually got tangled and the flag got ripped, according to the bloggers. The Maywood counter-protesters, however, had been calling the American citizens "white, blue-eyed devils" and a lot worse.

Did you happen to see one of their posters, which portrayed Mickey Mouse as Hitler, giving the one-arm salute? I just noticed that when I watched it again. Geez, what'd Mickey ever do to them?? Or maybe it's their way of desecrating anything American? Who knows....

Anyway....

Megawarrior, to answer your question, Maywood is in California, near Los Angeles. I hadn't heard of it, either, until all this happened....

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 04:49 PM

this is so utterly stupid. i am SO sick of illegal immigrants thinking that our country should have to accomodate them and change our culture for them. um, NO. you came here illegally. you don't deserve any rights because you didn't earn them, so don't expect to get them. if you like the mexican flag so much, go back to mexico. THE UNITED STATES IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE MEXICO.

if you come here (LEGALLY), adapt to the american way of life or get the f*ck out. you don't see any other immigrants putting their country's flag up.

this just really pisses me off.

edit: and i just love how the one police officer is all, "oh yeah, we're trying to take care of it. D: ... *drinks water*"

Edited by goodkarma, 28 August 2006 - 04:57 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2006 - 09:15 PM

this is so utterly stupid. i am SO sick of illegal immigrants thinking that our country should have to accomodate them and change our culture for them. um, NO. you came here illegally. you don't deserve any rights because you didn't earn them, so don't expect to get them. if you like the mexican flag so much, go back to mexico. THE UNITED STATES IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE MEXICO.

if you come here (LEGALLY), adapt to the american way of life or get the f*ck out. you don't see any other immigrants putting their country's flag up.

this just really pisses me off.

edit: and i just love how the one police officer is all, "oh yeah, we're trying to take care of it. D: ... *drinks water*"

Amen!

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 10:12 PM

this is so utterly stupid. i am SO sick of illegal immigrants thinking that our country should have to accomodate them and change our culture for them. um, NO. you came here illegally. you don't deserve any rights because you didn't earn them, so don't expect to get them. if you like the mexican flag so much, go back to mexico. THE UNITED STATES IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE MEXICO.

if you come here (LEGALLY), adapt to the american way of life or get the f*ck out. you don't see any other immigrants putting their country's flag up.

I couldn't agree with you more. Absolutely nobody forced them to come here. If they choose to live in America, they should, as you said, ADAPT to what we have; don't change it to what you would like it to be...especially in such a distasteful way! :)

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 01:10 AM

I agree with goodkarma. I really think it's silly that all of these illegals are knowingly crowding into one area in the first place; the government could easily swoop in and round them all up.

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 12:47 PM

This really pisses me off as well. If people want to come here, they should do it the right way. Just like OUR ancestors did. I totally agree with goodkarma. If you love your old country sooo much (and I understand it's normal to have pride, but that's a little overboard!! :P ), then get the f*ck out! :) My family had to get in the right way, and it took forever,( im a native american) and my tribe doesn`t go putting our tribe flag up and say that this land belongs to us, what they did is just dispicable. I really think they should get the f*ck out of here!!!!!!!! :)

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 05:40 PM

my tribe doesn`t go putting our tribe flag up and say that this land belongs to us, what they did is just dispicable. I really think they should get the f*ck out of here!!!!!!!! :)



well....didn't the Europeans do that to the Native Americans. They practically stole their land, killed off their people, stuck a flag in the ground and claimed the land as theirs. I can't help but think this as karma...what goes around comes around. I'm sorry about this situation, but the natives must be having a laugh right now...hehe.

"This problem with illegal immigration is nothing new. In fact, the Indians had a special name for it. They called it 'white people.'" --Jay Leno

"As you know, today was Don't Take Your Illegal Immigrant To Work Day here in Los Angeles. No, all across the nation they had a Day Without Immigrants, is what they call it. Or, as Native Americans call it, the good ol' days." --Jay Leno

haha

Edited by babet, 02 September 2006 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 02 September 2006 - 08:35 PM

well....didn't the Europeans do that to the Native Americans. They practically stole their land, killed off their people, stuck a flag in the ground and claimed the land as theirs. I can't help but think this as karma...what goes around comes around. I'm sorry about this situation, but the natives must be having a laugh right now...

The Mexicans aren't the "natives" of the Southwest. They were in this area for a time, but the true natives are the "Indian" tribes like the Navajo, Hopi, etc.. Today's Mexicans are a cross between Spaniards (Europeans!) and tribes native to Mexico, like the Aztecs.

Also, Mexico SOLD the Southwest to the United States. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was the peace treaty that ended the Mexican-American War (1846-1848). The treaty provided for the Mexican Cession, in which Mexico ceded 1.36 million kmĀ² (525,000 square miles) to the United States in exchange for USD $15 million. The United States also agreed to take over $3.25 million in debts Mexico owed to American citizens. In other words, Mexico got a pretty sweet deal--it was hardly theft of the land.

The cession included parts of the modern-day U.S. states of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Wyoming, as well as the whole of California, Nevada, and Utah. The remaining parts of what are today the states of Arizona and New Mexico were later ceded under the 1853 Gadsden Purchase. Note the word "purchase"--not "theft".

And even if the land had been "stolen", that doesn't change current laws. It's a very serious offense to mess around with federal property like a post office. It's also against the law to beat people up. I've since learned the the elderly man who got beaten up was actually a Mexican immigrant who was trying to rescue the lady who was so viciously beaten up by several men. (Sounds like a joke, doesn't it? How many illegal alien men does it take to beat up a woman and an old man?)

I've also learned that her injuries are so serious, that she needs to see a spine specialist. She's trying to get financial help from a California program that aids victims of crimes, because she has no medical insurance.

This is nothing to do with "karma". It's about criminals breaking laws. I don't care what race you are, you don't go hoisting a foreign flag on federal property, throwing bottles and rocks at police, and assaulting unarmed people. If you have a problem with the law, you protest PEACEFULLY, you write letters to your local/state/federal representatives, and you vote for the candidate(s) whom you think will help your cause.

Finally, despite what you may think, Native Americans aren't laughing about this. Many of them are veterans who fought for this country, and don't appreciate seeing the flag desecrated in any way.

http://www.history.n...aqs/faq61-1.htm

It is well recognized that, historically, Native Americans have the highest record of service per capita when compared to other ethnic groups.



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Posted 02 September 2006 - 10:09 PM

^ yeah....see when i mentioned Native Americans, i wasn't referring to Mexican Natives. I'm talking about the Aboriginals, who were the original population of Canada/US. You can't deny the fact that the Aboriginals were totally screwed over when the Europeans/British came. The culture, people, language...all of it is barely recognized today. I know in Canadian history, genocide was practically commited against some of the tribes. Today, the natives can't even practice their own traditions without coming into conflict with the new laws forced upon them. When the europeans immigrated over, they didn't exactly follow the laws of the natives did they....no. They created their own.

Now a similar thing is happening to the north american population today. Conflict, again, is rising because of immigration. Plus the same argument has come up again and again "they're jacking our land they're jacking our land...etc..etc...".

and i agree, any violent acts during a protest is unnecessary. But compared to the WTO protest/riot...this is nothing.

Edited by babet, 02 September 2006 - 10:13 PM.





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