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#2303579 Why Is BoA Flopping in Japan?

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 04 January 2016 - 03:28 PM

She doesn't appeal to younger or new fans. She's basically relying on the remaining 5-7k members of her fanclub that she had since the beginning of her career. Same problem in Korea (although on a much smaller scale). She's not earning new fans with her new releases and hasn't been since maybe 2007 (for Japan).


As for why she's not earning new fans, one explanation is that Japan is more focused on groups these days, rather than female solos. In addition to that, there are a bunch of other factors: BoA's TV performances, promotion, etc.

#2280060 【Official Thread】 Variety & Reality Shows

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 29 June 2015 - 05:17 PM

No NO no to IC again. She has A LOT of failed projects in the second half of her career, but IC was one of the worst. I don't think it helped her at ALL and only made people even more skeptical about her songwriting and creative abilities. The performance was also pretty mediocre with bad choreo (as expected from Korean choreographers), a really raspy voice (was she sick?!? she sounded sick), and very weak lip-syncing from that rapper.


As for Korean shows, she rarely gets positive reception (the only big exception: K-Pop Star), so I'm not surprised. Personally, I'm not into Korean shows AT ALL (I think their sense of humor is dumb), but I wonder why BoA, as a Korean, who has plenty of Korean friends, is finding it difficult to do "well" on these.

#2279838 【Official Thread】"Kiss My Lips" Promotions

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 07 June 2015 - 12:12 PM

I liked the KML choreography. It's edgy and fits the song. The moves are not easy in the chorus part, either. 

The stuff she used to do in Korea (Girls on Top, MOTO, My Name, Spark) might "look" harder, but they're just more tiring (as in, there's more movement, but the moves are easier to pull off). There's a lot of random jumping around in there... KML is much smoother and actually fits. 


I don't think any one is doubting her dancing, really... (I mean, come on... BoA's best asset is her dancing) 

They just want more ENERGETIC performances, better songs, and better vocals. I've been saying the voice thing for years, and I'm glad she's finally admitted it (I believe she knew it for a while now.. how can she not, it's her own voice). Not sure what she can do about it though because it just seems like a product of overwork. As for being energetic, I don't think people are referring to any of her performances this comeback. She did REALLY well in terms of performing this time around. What people are thinking of is that long period in Japan when she looked like she didn't give a sh*t. It dragged on for YEARS, so I don't think one amazing, but SHORT, comeback will change that. 

#2279777 Kiss my lips ALBUM Hanteo daily sales and Gaon numbers

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 02 June 2015 - 05:23 PM

There's an easy solution to that. Look at how YG promotes their artists. They promote most tracks, if not all of them. YG even let the fans choose the 3rd title track for Akdong Musicians 1st album. SM should do the same. Screw originality of promotional tactics. It's the fans and public that matter. BoA could have easily made WAY and KML title tracks since the beginning and she could have fared way better with fans and the general public having their choice of title track to listen to. It also helps in showing confidence in the whole album. Look at what happened to Jonghyun's album. He promoted De Ja boo and crazy both at the same time and neither had any promotional advantage over the other so even though crazy(his main title track) flopped, people didn't focus too much on it and didn't base the albums image on it and continued to support it because of De ja boo(which eventually became his main promoted track). SM should learn new ways of promoting their artists and albums. It's very apparent that they are in dire need of new management.

The thing is, I'm not sure if BoA is up for performing so many songs live. She lipsyncs a lot. I understand with Only One, but she lipsynced most performances of KML, and every performance of Fox, Smash, and Greenlight. SM is known for lipsyncing, but their groups haven't been doing much of it recently. Her career, both Korea and Japan, is filled with lipsynced performances - except when it's frowned upon/not allowed to lipsync. She is a great live singer, but I get the feeling that she's a perfectionist who doesn't want to sing live unless it's 100% perfect (she sings a lot of songs live for her tour because she has a lot of time to practice). 

#2279776 【Official Thread】"Kiss My Lips" Promotions

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 02 June 2015 - 05:15 PM

^ It's understandable. Anything she or SM says after an album flop (ex: using the US market as a refreshing new experience for BoA - you don't throw your entire label into an annual deficit just to provide ONE artist with a "refreshing new experience") is just to save face. Obviously SM is checking the sales ($$$), and it's part of BoA's JOB to do well on the charts. Saying "BoA doesn't care about charts" is so obviously false; it's like saying someone doesn't care HOW WELL do they at their job. You may DISAGREE with how the job performance is measured, but at the end of the day, it's the most direct and one of the most cited measurements of your performance. It's probably not as important as it once was (when she debuted), but it's still so important to the point that she asked fans if they even liked her album after KML flopped. 


Variety shows will only help her if she does well on them/is liked. A popular show like Running Man had almost no impact (as far as I know) - viewers said she was "forgettable" and "boring." She did well on KPopStar, so it helped, but KPopStar is also not a variety show. It's more merit-based and about the contestants, not her, so I think that's one of the reasons why she shown (could rely a lot on her experiences and technical skills, without having huge pressure to demonstrate personality). 

#2279712 Kiss my lips ALBUM Hanteo daily sales and Gaon numbers

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 30 May 2015 - 08:15 AM

I just think she is in the wrong market at the wrong time. She is an older female solo artist in a country that is not very kind to older female solo artists. lol There are plenty of successful older female solo artists in America (exact opposite of Korea where very young groups thrive) and other markets, but few in Korea.


Her album got good international reviews and performed very poorly in the Korean market. I agree with Kowan that KML wasn't a strong single, and WAY would have boosted sales, but her choice to use KML as a lead single just shows that her tastes are more aligned with foreign markets than the Korean market. 


She has outgrown the Korean market. It PAINED me to see her do that terrible dance to WAY while looking like literally every other female in K-pop, singing a generic Korean song. Her real problem now is finding a market where she can BE HERSELF and DO SOMETHING SHE WANTS TO DO while maintaining some chart success (or else we'll just get shortened promotions like we got this time around). The problem is that her only remaining market appears to be Korea. 

#2279697 【Official Thread】"Kiss My Lips" Promotions

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 29 May 2015 - 09:31 PM

BoA came back with a long-awaited strong image (Kiss My Lips) and has successfully backtracked with Who Are You. She looks like literally every other Korean singer now (dressed the same, styled the same, dancing the same, acting the same...). KML was no beacon of originality, but it was more memorable than WAY. Hooray for Korea and its homogeneity! 

#2279634 【Official Thread】"Kiss My Lips" Promotions

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 28 May 2015 - 06:37 AM

So sad for her to have to cut promotions for a concept and song she genuinely wanted in order to pander to an audience with bad taste. WAY choreo looks terrible (song doesn't give much to work with though).


Commercial success is definitely important, but if she had been in most other music industries (not Korean), KML would have been preferred over WAY. Just compare international reception to both songs. 

#2279534 【Official Thread】"Kiss My Lips" Promotions

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 24 May 2015 - 04:38 PM

Better not be Home... I do not agree with Koreans' taste in music (I think it's pretty much the opposite of international standards), but I don't think Koreans or international fans would appreciate Home promotions. 

It may be too late to start new choreography. KML was probably meant to last MUCH LONGER than it actually did (no one foresaw the horrible chart performance). So she'll probably sing a non-dance song, unfortunately. D:

#2279367 8th Korean album will be released on 12 May

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 20 May 2015 - 04:08 PM

^ She can never have it all:


HV: Popular song, bad dance, bad styling/look

Only One: Popular song (with composition credits!), great dance, bad styling/look

KML: Forgettable/unpopular song, good dance, great styling/look



#2279253 【Official Thread】"Kiss My Lips" Promotions

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 17 May 2015 - 02:45 PM

Must be difficult seeing she's worked on this album a long time, got her fave choreographers to do the choreo, etc, etc, and people hate it. I'm not saying KML is a great song, but it's decent. It's too bad that BoA struggles in every market outside Korea because she has really evolved past the standards of K-pop. It is simply an immature market: "public friendly" in Korea is limited to a handful of generic songs that recycle the same concepts/ideas and offer little-to-no creativity. Everyone looks the same, does the same dance, markets themselves the same way, sings about the same stuff, etc. K-pop is highly reflective of the homogeneity and lack of individuality prevalent in Korean culture as a whole. 


KML is not groundbreaking, but would be more welcomed in other music industries IMO. The problem is that BoA has now reached that level of artistry (props to her) in an industry that is not accepting of it (Korea). On the other hand, Korea is the only industry in which she still succeeds. 

#2279093 8th Korean album will be released on 12 May

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 15 May 2015 - 06:05 PM

@ Kentjr:


I never said it had to matter to you, so don't act like I'm shoving her terrible sales figures down her throat. I never once posted any actual figures, nor did I ever tell you you had to pay attention to them. 


Since you took the liberty of writing three huge paragraphs, I will dismantle each of your "points": 

"You act as if she is a brand new debut artist with 0 stock shares in the company and absolutely every single thing in the world to prove."

Since when did I say that? I specifically wrote: "Maybe they don't matter as much for BoA as they do for someone new". Please read next time.


"They may matter to BoA's career, but again, they don't matter to me. I'm a fan of her music, her legacy, and her as an artist. She's really in a different place at her career now than she was 15 years ago." 

Again, I never said you had to care about her sales. In fact, the two points I made were that 1) BoA cares and 2) they affect her career. You obviously agree on the second point (since you wrote "They may matter to BoA's career") and if you care about her music, legacy, and her as an artist, then I assume you care about the first point (that it matters to BoA).


I'm not going to quote your second paragraph since you mentioned "a lot of you," and I assume that wasn't me included, since I NEVER mentioned anything about all-kills because 1) it's k-pop which is LOL and 2) I have very low expectations as far as commercial success when it comes to BoA these days.


However, I will address this point you made in your second paragraph: "Unless you're in the music business and your job is on the line because of BoA's low sales, I personally feel that you really have absolutely no place to speak on what matters as far as BoA's career and what should matter to her." 

Anyone can have an opinion and a "place to speak," as you put it. You don't have to listen, you can mark as spam, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone--BoA fan or not--has a right to voice an opinion on any topic. Also, I never mentioned that sales should matter to BoA. Go back a few pages and you can see that fans who attended her live performance said she specifically stated that KML flopped and asked if the album was bad. She is obviously concerned with public opinion and her sales figures. My entire post was stating that she herself is obviously paying attention to sales, that they obviously matter to her; not once did I try to act like I control her career (can you find a quote where I said "BoA SHOULD CARE ABOUT SALES!11")


"So let's be real, if it matters that much to you then you need to be buying box loads of shipments, and promoting her everywhere you go. Otherwise, it really doesn't mean that much to you, as there really isn't anything else you as a single person can do. I hope BoA and SM cut you a nice huge check, to go with your good efforts."


Why does me saying "sales matter" mean that I need to go out and spend hundreds? You even said "there really isn't anything else you as a single person can do." I'm saying they matter for her career and that they affect how she feels emotionally. Obviously things are different for someone with a career as long as hers, but they still affect how long she will stay in music, how much of her own production we will see, etc. I could care less about what K-poppers buy, but I realize it matters to her (how she feels about her work) and it matters for her career prospects.


Again, I never shoved her terrible figures down your throat, so do not act like I did. I took on the "sales matter" from a practical approach, and there's no need to get even slightly emotional about it (AKA I do not appreciate the sarcasm). 

#2279084 8th Korean album will be released on 12 May

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 15 May 2015 - 04:44 PM

Well... there goes everyone who says "sales don't matter." Maybe they don't matter as much for BoA as they do for someone new, but it's obvious she gets affected by them. 


And it also OBVIOUSLY affects how much $$$$$$ a company will spend on their artist -- including songs, promotions, choreographers, video, etc. 


From both a practical and fan perspective, sales matter a whole lot. Maybe not as a complete, all-inclusive indication of success, but definitely in the grand scheme of the artist's emotional well-being and professional opportunities. 

#2279083 【Official Thread】"Kiss My Lips" Promotions

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 15 May 2015 - 04:40 PM

I don't think it would be a wise choice to switch to Who Are You and I don't think she will either. I agree that KML is a very weak title song, but it's still stronger than WAY IMO. Koreans might like it more, but she shouldn't have to pander to an audience that typically has very poor taste in music. lol It makes sense that WAY is popular among them because 1) the song is very stereotypical Korean 2) it's about a popular Korean trend/relatable 3) has EXO member in video. She obviously put her heart into making KML (not just the song, but the concept as well). It's nowhere near perfect, but still a stronger image to come back with than the very generic Korean vibe that is WAY.


She looks really good nowadays so that's good. I still like the KML dance. Not sure why she lipsyncs because 1) it's frowned upon generally and 2) people will have higher expectations for someone with so much experience and 3) her dance isn't hard this time. 

Was very excited to see Fox because I LOVE that song... but the performance was definitely boring 1) because of lipsync and 2) because of shitty choreography. Not surprised when I saw the choreographer... Korean choreographers typically have very little creativity (how much plagiarism is in K-pop??). They're good at making catchy hand movements to repetitive songs, I'll give them that, but Fox just looked like a bad attempt at a typical Nappytabs/SYTYCD dance. T_T Even Jaewon from SM makes better choreo than that, so hopefully he's behind the other dance performances. If she's going to lipsync them, which I expect, the choreo needs to be much more exciting. 

#2277443 Irked By CL's (2NE1) Comment Regarding US Debut

Posted by MOTOWAYohsixfive on 27 December 2014 - 08:30 AM

She probably said that to avoid opening another can of worms. Think about it: if she had said the typical respect-your-elders Korean answer (mentioning Utada, Se7en, BoA, WG, SNSD), the interviewer would probably ask, "And why do you think they didn't succeed?" Now THAT would be a hard question to answer (we all know the reasons, but it would be difficult for a celeb like CL to say them).


I'm excited for debut. She has the best chances out of everyone who's tried so far, even if you disregard the language factor (Utada speaks better English than CL, but I would still put my money on CL). She just has a strong personality (think American singers) and stage presence (think BoA like 9 years ago).