109 replies to this topic

[Mashimaro-san]

UGH! Sorry I'm so frustrated with SM. What are your thoughts?!

I think its ridiculous SNSD got these promotions while our poor BoA had one Jingle Ball performance (I mean seriously only one? Why couldn't they get BoA on other Jingle Ball performances?!), San Francisco Gay Pride and Gay Club "RAGE" appearance (at least the LGBT community here in North America somehow supported her), that lame MTV performance (it was the Asian MTV, I think that channel got cancelled).

BoA US Album was doomed for ultra failure without any promotions.

Edited by Mashimaro-san, 25 January 2012 - 10:11 AM.

[MrP]

Why can't we ever just be happy for them?

[Mashimaro-san]

MrP, on 25 January 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

Why can't we ever just be happy for them?

I said I'm frustrated at SM not SNSD.

If they were able to get SNSD these gigs how the hell they couldn't do so with BoA?! SNSD doesn't even have a full English album out, BoA did, wasted opportunity and money.

Did I mention around 4 music videos was released and 3 singles, and still not a single American TV gig. Eat You Up (Duane version), Eat You Up (Asian version), I Did It For Love (directed by Jospeh Khan, famous director, check out Toxic and All The Lovers).

BoA's album was even distributed in many North American CD stores. It was on my mall for crying out loud and I don't even live in a major city. Not to mention the producers they worked with, I'm pretty sure they shelled out around 1 million dollars on the album production alone...

Now they get SNSD on two popular American TV shows, with only one English song. I'm so confused with their logic.

Edited by Mashimaro-san, 25 January 2012 - 11:51 AM.

[MrP]

Why can't you be happy that SM is doing something right? Why be frustrated? No, seriously. BoA dropped her English album three years ago and we're STILL bitching about that stuff? Really?

[Mashimaro-san]

MrP, on 25 January 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Why can't you be happy that SM is doing something right? Why be frustrated? No, seriously. BoA dropped her English album three years ago and we're STILL bitching about that stuff? Really?

Because I'm concerned about BoA's career TBQH. I will not be surprised if COBU 3D doesn't get any promotions.

It puts everything into perspective why BoA's career is in such a decline too, way too many mistakes and no redeeming factors.

Edited by Mashimaro-san, 25 January 2012 - 12:00 PM.

[Kwcty6888]

Who knows, maybe SM will gain some experience and promote BoA properly the second go around

[MrP]

I'm pretty sure everyone wants BoA to do good, but complaining won't make it any better.

[MOTOWAYohsixfive]

Mashimaro, it's not so much SM as it is Interscope. I'm sure if SM had the power and connections to get her on David Letterman, Good Morning America, or whatever big shows SNSD have been on, then they would have. The point is that when BoA came to the US in 2008/2009, she was with SM and SM alone. She didn't have Interscope, as SNSD does. I'm sure that if BoA has been signed to Interscope like SNSD, then she would have had the same promotions as well.

The next question will probably be: well, why didn't SM get Interscope to sign BoA? Maybe Interscope wasn't interested. After all, why would they take a gamble on a foreign artist who can't even sell in her own country? SNSD is the hottest thing in Asia now, so it's no wonder that Interscope was interested in getting them.

Edited by MOTOWAYohsixfive, 25 January 2012 - 12:26 PM.

[OneLuv]

Sorry if I am late on the news, but when was SNSD on Letterman and Regis?

[yunapolaris]

MOTOWAYohsixfive, on 25 January 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Mashimaro, it's not so much SM as it is Interscope. I'm sure if SM had the power and connections to get her on David Letterman, Good Morning America, or whatever big shows SNSD have been on, then they would have. The point is that when BoA came to the US in 2008/2009, she was with SM and SM alone. She didn't have Interscope, as SNSD does. I'm sure that if BoA has been signed to Interscope like SNSD, then she would have had the same promotions as well.

The next question will probably be: well, why didn't SM get Interscope to sign BoA? Maybe Interscope wasn't interested. After all, why would they take a gamble on a foreign artist who can't even sell in her own country? SNSD is the hottest thing in Asia now, so it's no wonder that Interscope was interested in getting them.

My thought is the same with this ^ . SM made a mistake on choosing the time to get BoA into US, it was too late IMO. They should have promoted her properly way earlier, when she was still on the peak. Im afraid, unfortunately, BoA was being SM's experiment into US, and I see they've learned the lesson with SNSD, they sighed them with Interscope while they are at their peak and such.
I wish we could do something, but too bad there's nothing we can do...
I wouldn't suprised either if COBU doesn't get any much promotion from SM, I just hope Derek's agency will do a better job.
It's sad but it's the inevitablility of being a star in entertainment industry, you shined once for a while, but you can't avoid reaching you gloom one day...

MrP, on 25 January 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure everyone wants BoA to do good, but complaining won't make it any better.

You know what, why don't you just shut up and get outta here? I thought I would just ignore you in the other threads but you've come to the point of being very annoying.
Who said we were just simply complaining? We were showing our concerns for our beloved idol. You have a problem with that? If you do, you don't belong here.
STFU, how about that?
I might get warnings for talking like this but it's worth it if I can get some one like you out of my sight.
----------------------------------
And my apology to Mashimaro-san-the OP- for ranting an off-topic in here, I will not comment any further than this on this MrP in your topic

Edited by yunapolaris, 25 January 2012 - 01:26 PM.

[MrP]

yunapolaris, on 25 January 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

My thought is the same with this ^ . SM made a mistake on choosing the time to get BoA into US, it was too late IMO. They should have promoted her properly way earlier, when she was still on the peak. Im afraid, unfortunately, BoA was being SM's experiment into US, and I see they've learned the lesson with SNSD, they sighed them with Interscope while they are at their peak and such.
I wish we could do something, but too bad there's nothing we can do...
I wouldn't suprised either if COBU doesn't get any much promotion from SM, I just hope Derek's agency will do a better job.
It's sad but it's the inevitablility of being a star in entertainment industry, you shined once for a while, but you can't avoid reaching you gloom one day...



You know what, why don't you just shut up and get outta here? I thought I would just ignore you in the other threads but you've come to the point of being very annoying.
Who said we were just simply complaining? We were showing our concerns for our beloved idol. You have a problem with that? If you do, you don't belong here.
STFU, how about that?
I might get warnings for talking like this but it's worth it if I can get some one like you out of my sight.
----------------------------------
And my apology to Mashimaro-san-the OP- for ranting an off-topic in here, I will not comment any further than this on this MrP in your topic

Ummm...chill out?

Showing concern for your beloved idol?  How are you showing concern for BoA when you say 'SNSD on David Letterman - A Big Insult to BoA'. It looks to me like some fans are unhappy because SNSD is having more success in the US. Have you ever considered that SM might be doing better this time around because they learned from their mistakes in the past? And as MOTOWAY said, SNSD is the biggest thing in Asia right now so naturally more people would be interested in them. Yeah, you might be concerned for your idol, but when you come off as a jealous twit or an ass it isn't exactly a good look.

[Mashimaro-san]

MrP, on 25 January 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Ummm...chill out?

Showing concern for your beloved idol?  How are you showing concern for BoA when you say 'SNSD on David Letterman - A Big Insult to BoA'. It looks to me like some fans are unhappy because SNSD is having more success in the US. Have you ever considered that SM might be doing better this time around because they learned from their mistakes in the past? And as MOTOWAY said, SNSD is the biggest thing in Asia right now so naturally more people would be interested in them. Yeah, you might be concerned for your idol, but when you come off as a jealous twit or an ass it isn't exactly a good look.

An insult to BoA from SM not SNSD.

BoA fans are not the only one shocked with this news either. If you go around the net many people were saying err why didn't SM do this with boA instead or why didn't YG get Se7en to do the same thing.

Our frustration with SM and Avex Trax dates back to 2008, the whole fan base has always criticized SM and Avex for basically leaving BoA in the side nowadays. It also plays a big part as to why BoA's fan base is declining so much.

We've also known from the very start that if BoA were to debut in the US she should've signed with universal (at the time BoA's music videos were "supported" by Universal Studios, but she wasn't actually signed with them),

Also SNSD are not having more success in the USA. BoA had a Dance Chart topper, The Boys haven't charted in Billboard at all. In fact out of all the South Korean artists BoA was the only one that got close to doing well, but it was ruined by terrible promotion. BoA had a complete album out, was actually releasing singles with music videos, etc. Not like Wonder Girls or SNSD who are just releasing maxi singles...

We are not talking about success here, we are talking about promotions. You can have as many promtoions but still be a failure. In BoA's case, she never got any promotions, it was doomed for failure.

In this case SNSD is having a lot more promotions than BoA ever did, which to us fans is frustrating because it meant BoA spent the whole damn time, money and effort to record an album and music videos without any promotions. We're not jealous at SNSD, we are frustrated with SM with the way they have handled BoA's career these past years.

The 10th Japanese anniversary has been a disaster so far... Milestone dropped out of the top 20 after charting for a week at #5 with 5,000 sales (the average sales for DVD singles is around 15,000). You know who else sells 5,00 copies? Crystal Kay, and it got so bad she had to switch to Universal Studios...

I'm not even going to start with the IDENTITY album, people in Japan didn't even know BoA was releasing an album, that is how bad it was. I'm no longer surprised either that BoA doesn't hold arena tours in Japan anymore...

Edited by Mashimaro-san, 25 January 2012 - 04:31 PM.

[happy!]

umm..sorry but i've got a question which might be quite off topic..did BoA signed to a  company called CAA or CCA (sorry i don't remember the name..) in th US? is their contract over yet?

[jakmehoff]

A lot has to do with timing... not promotions.
The Hallyu Wave wasn't as strong as it was back when BoA tried to crossover to the US. No one was doing it at the time except for maybe Se7en. Fast forward 2-3 years later Kpop has invaded the US whether it's smtown tour, 2ne1, or wonder girls. Now things are just crazy.. kpop everywhere. So why not strike when it's hot? I see no wrong in that.

Edited by jakmehoff, 25 January 2012 - 07:37 PM.

[Elmari]

Before I start, I just want to preface my post stating that I am a new BoA fan and don't know the history like you guys do.

I find this thread very interesting and I have read all the comments. So this K-Pop group is going to appear on Letterman and Live! with Kelly, however, I've never heard of them before. But I have to tell you guys, I just got Comcast and they have an on-demand feature and they actually have a 'channel' for K-pop videos. BoA had a few videos there, as well as, a performance from SMTown NYC 2010. But I just thought that was very interesting that they have k-pop music videos on demand, so it must mean that the more and more Americans are getting exposed to the genre.

As someone commented above, it does sound to me like BoA's attempt to crossover to the US in 2008/2009 was an experiment  by her record company. The U.S. is a huge market and it takes a lot of money to sell a new artist and basically set them up to be successful. It definitely takes more than talent to make it here.  It WOULD have been better if she had signed with an American record company and have them promote her and her album. I am a big fan of Enrique Iglesias and that's what he did when he crossed over. He left his small Mexican record company and signed with Interscope Records back in 1999.

But as to Cobu promotions, don't forget that it is an independent movie. As I understand it, CJ Entertainment/SM Entertainment produced the movie and will distribute (and I guess promote) it in Asia. IMO, I don't think those Korean companies will have anything to do with the promotion and distribution of the movie in the US. Lionsgate is distributing the movie in Europe and the US, so I think they will handle the promotion in these regions. BTW, I do believe Derek will get a lot of opportunity to promote the movie when it comes out because he does get a lot of press attention when he does DWTS. But I really hope that BoA and Derek can go on a press tour and go out there and promote the movie together.