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[Xeno]

I guess this is the place to put this. Some of you may know her and some of you may not. Listen to her story and you can tell what horrid state the American Health Care is currently in. At the sametime do not let the complaining about the Health Care overshadow the more important story which is her brother.




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I am by no means making this story about her bro more important than anyone else that in this current situation. It is more or less I guess to shine focus on the overhauling of the Health Care in America. I hope Obama does something while he has the DC Congress. We might be seeing another shift in power in the next election.

Edited by Xeno, 09 June 2009 - 08:16 AM.

[Kabuto]

Are we supposed to give an opinion to this?  By the looks of it, if I disagree you will rage at me.

[kurobara478]

This does not only happen in America but everywhere and there are places that they don't even have health care services.
But I do admire this lady who has put a lot of effort to save her brother's life.

[The Real CZ]

The only thing wrong with our healthcare system is the cost because legal fees are too high. Just lower the amount someone could get and prices would nosedive. The U.S. has the best healthcare in the world; there's a reason why people from Europe and Canada who get tired of waiting in line come to the U.S.

No, I didn't make this up. It's called not watching an extreme-leftwing channel.

[Sakura_Bunny_Chan]

The Real CZ, on Jun 9 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

The only thing wrong with our healthcare system is the cost because legal fees are too high. Just lower the amount someone could get and prices would nosedive. The U.S. has the best healthcare in the world; there's a reason why people from Europe and Canada who get tired of waiting in line come to the U.S.

No, I didn't make this up. It's called not watching an extreme-leftwing channel.

I totally agree with you. Your answer is spot on. =] Prices are so high because people keep suing. In a nearby town to me, their hospital will not deliver babies anymore because they got sued too much. So they just stopped. Those people now have to drive over 30 minutes to get into my town to have their baby.

Edited by Sakura_Bunny_Chan, 09 June 2009 - 08:55 PM.

[justforboa]

There's nothing I can do. USA is a Constitution-based federal republic. All Americans are virtually powerless until election-time.

[hinachan]

The Real CZ, on Jun 9 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

The only thing wrong with our healthcare system is the cost because legal fees are too high. Just lower the amount someone could get and prices would nosedive. The U.S. has the best healthcare in the world; there's a reason why people from Europe and Canada who get tired of waiting in line come to the U.S.

We have the best healthcare, ONLY if you have the cash to pay for it.  That's why reform is needed.  Also, the health systems in Europe and Canada are NOT public options, but single-payer.  They're two very different things.

The Real CZ, on Jun 9 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

No, I didn't make this up. It's called not watching an extreme-leftwing channel.

Apparently you've been watching the extreme-right Fixed News channel, or you'd know your facts.  Maybe you didn't make that stuff up, but they did, and you're just repeating it.

I think, therefore I never watch Fox News.

Sakura_Bunny_Chan, on Jun 9 2009, 11:54 PM, said:

I totally agree with you. Your answer is spot on. =] Prices are so high because people keep suing. In a nearby town to me, their hospital will not deliver babies anymore because they got sued too much. So they just stopped. Those people now have to drive over 30 minutes to get into my town to have their baby.

Most malpractice suits are either tossed out of court, or the ruling goes in favor of the physician.  And be honest, if a lot of people were suing in that nearby town, it's clear that those doctors were pretty incompetent.

The REAL reason health care costs are so high is that insurance company CEO's are making way too much profit, taking advantage of the monopoly they have.  Even casinos are held to stricter standards than insurance companies are.

My family has worked in the health care industry for 30 years, so I know what I'm talking about here.  I'm also a victim of being priced out of health insurance because of pre-existing conditions.  If you've never been chronically ill, or hospitalized for a prolonged period of time, you don't know what the situation truly is.  Sorry.

There needs to be a public option now, to provide healthy, all-American competition for the insurance companies.  Americans know this, and that's why all polls (except those done by Fox News, surprise-surprise) indicate the vast majority wants a public option.

Edited by hinachan, 23 October 2009 - 12:13 AM.

[justforboa]

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We have the best healthcare, ONLY if you have the cash to pay for it.

You don't know your country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

[hinachan]

justforboa, on Sep 24 2010, 09:03 PM, said:

You don't know your country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

And you don't know the rules of Medicaid.

In many states (like the one I live in), it's ONLY available to people who have been accepted for Social Security Disability.  That is a very difficult process--even with an attorney, getting accepted can take years.  I know, because I've been fighting to get on disability for 5 years; most people are turned down repeatedly.  SOME states provide Medicaid to low-income people who aren't on SSD/SSI, but the vast majority of states do not.  Which means that low-income people, people with pre-existing conditions, etc., ARE NOT eligible for Medicaid.

Please don't judge someone else's knowledge of their own country's health care system, when your only knowledge of it is gleaned from Wikipedia.

[ange_argente]

hinachan, on Oct 23 2009, 02:09 AM, said:

There needs to be a public option now, to provide healthy, all-American competition for the insurance companies.  Americans know this, and that's why all polls (except those done by Fox News, surprise-surprise) indicate the vast majority wants a public option.

I'm not an American and I don't live in the US, so forgive if I'm wrong, but I highly doubt the American population would stand for a public option to health care. A public option would have to be funded through the government which means higher taxes. For those who don't use the public option, why would they agree to be taxed for services they won't use? A public option is also indicative of a move towards socialism and Americans tend to have more of a capitalist mindset.

Not that I disagree that health care should be provided equally to everyone. It should be a human right, imo.

[Lilith11]

ange_argente, on Oct 15 2010, 02:08 PM, said:

I'm not an American and I don't live in the US, so forgive if I'm wrong, but I highly doubt the American population would stand for a public option to health care. A public option would have to be funded through the government which means higher taxes. For those who don't use the public option, why would they agree to be taxed for services they won't use? A public option is also indicative of a move towards socialism and Americans tend to have more of a capitalist mindset.

Not that I disagree that health care should be provided equally to everyone. It should be a human right, imo.

But they could at least provide reform.  What's cruciallly needed right now in the healthcare system is 1). some form of regulation over it and 2). competition which would benefit the people.  The American government could, for example, introduce a federally funded, free public option to the people in order to create incentive in insurance companies to offer better rates, accept more, etc.  In terms of reforms, it'd be what kind of people insurances can deny, what disease they can refuse to cover, etc.  The Obama administration just recently actually passed healthcare reform that forbid companies to not cover someone just because of some pre-condition or to drop coverage for technicalities, which is, in my opinon, definitely a step in the right direction.  Furthermore, America could probably cover for a public healthcare policy if we dropped our defense spending even by just a little.  Experts estimate that Americans spend approximately 1.03 trillion dollars in defense over year 2010; now, I realize that it could be argued that America does have the most advanced military in the world (about 10 years ahead of every other country in terms of technology) and yes, we do need money to train, outfit, supply troops and for the equipment and research.  But at the same time, do we really need that much?  Could we not streamline the military, cut out unnecesary bureaucracy w/in the military?  Create more cost-saving ways?  Not only in the military, but in terms of "earmarks" which are basically Congressional pet projects, in which Congress allocates tax-funded money to Congressmen to carry out pet projects- usually for personal gain.  Couldn't we also cut down on taxes to allow for a publicly funded healthcare plan by cutting down on earmarks to only ones essential for the people (i.e. public infrastucture, construction of a dam, etc), which would require greater transparency.  There are ways to make room for public healthcare that people refuse to see because they're too busy accusing it of being socialist when in truth, they're denying a baisc human right to millions of people.

[justforboa]

hinachan, on Sep 25 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

And you don't know the rules of Medicaid.

In many states (like the one I live in), it's ONLY available to people who have been accepted for Social Security Disability.  That is a very difficult process--even with an attorney, getting accepted can take years.  I know, because I've been fighting to get on disability for 5 years; most people are turned down repeatedly.  SOME states provide Medicaid to low-income people who aren't on SSD/SSI, but the vast majority of states do not.  Which means that low-income people, people with pre-existing conditions, etc., ARE NOT eligible for Medicaid.

Please don't judge someone else's knowledge of their own country's health care system, when your only knowledge of it is gleaned from Wikipedia.

My mistake. It's not my area of expertise so I trust you.

ange_argente, on Oct 15 2010, 02:08 PM, said:

I'm not an American and I don't live in the US, so forgive if I'm wrong, but I highly doubt the American population would stand for a public option to health care. A public option would have to be funded through the government which means higher taxes. For those who don't use the public option, why would they agree to be taxed for services they won't use? A public option is also indicative of a move towards socialism and Americans tend to have more of a capitalist mindset.

Not that I disagree that health care should be provided equally to everyone. It should be a human right, imo.

Since the majority of people don't have access to private care, why wouldn't the public option be popular? Capitalist mindset is mostly for the capitalist class. The majority of people don't mind a mixed economy.