To make a long story short: CBS/C-Net, Microsoft, and other companies are behind a bill called SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) that would shut down sites that even LINK to copyrighted material (like YouTube videos of K-pop). Even BJJ would be affected. If this law passes, the United States could even request other countries' governments to extradite their citizens to the USA to face jail sentences. (This is happening right now, with the US trying to convince Great Britain to extradite a UK college student here, to face charges of piracy.)
But the problem will be even worse, if SOPA becomes law...and the majority of people in Congress are indicating that they WILL vote for it.
SOPA can be stopped. The people in the US Congress are not computer-savvy, so they don't understand that they're being fooled by the companies supporting SOPA. These companies created software for downloading music illegally, profited from that software, and are now pretending there's a "crisis"...when they CREATED that crisis, because they want to control the internet (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) the same way that they control radio, TV networks, and cable TV.
Here's what you need to do, to help:
* Watch this video, and learn what is really happening (Hint: You won't hear it on the news, but it is readily available on the web, if you understand business.)
* LIKE and FAVORITE the video, to help it get to YouTube's front page.
* Post the video to your Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube accounts, if you have them. Also, post it to any forums you frequent. The more people who see this, the better.
* Even if you don't live in the USA, C-Net has offices all over the world. So forward a link to this video, to your local elected officials. Make them aware of how they are being duped by these companies.
* Talk to your friends at work, school, and home. Explain that these companies are trying to limit what we can see on the internet, just like they do with radio, TV, and movies, by creating the software that people use to download material illegally. These companies made the "crisis", and now they're trying to make people think that it's about stopping piracy. It isn't. It's about limiting what we can see and do on the internet.
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URGENT: If you download music/videos, please watch this video
Started by hinachan, Dec 23 2011 02:40 AM
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Posted 24 December 2011 - 09:33 AM
Um... first of all, it is TRUE that pirating is wrong & illegal. For example a PC game, a lot of people has put tons of effort into making that game, it's their tears & sweat and of course they want a pay-back for their work by selling it. Ask yourself, do you want to work for free? I know I don't. That being said, pirating is nothing different from stealing. We gotta admit it's true. And piracy has been seriously affected the whole music/entertainment/software you-name-it industry, and people working in those industries want to protect their work.
And I don't see why any company would need to create a "downloading crisis" while there already IS a crisis, how many people download stuff from internet, include you & me, every day? Billions.
I understand that not all of people can afford the stuff being selling, I myself can not afford all of BoA's production for example, that's why I need to download stuff. And also, for example, shows in Korea/Japan, there's no way we can watch it or even pay for the cable TV to watch it, that's why we need to download. But I don't re-sale it or try to make money from it. However, a lot of people out there they are making money from selling pirated stuff. Sadly that the laws will not distinguish what kind of pirate you are, in their eyes, pirating is pirating.
Anyway, I'm kinda in the "gray" area when it comes to pirating, i.e I download them just for my personal use and don't try to make profit from them. And like I don't upload an ISO of BoA's CD/DVD just after 1 day it was released.
Also, we all see that new MVs are usually being removed from Youtube, but not for the Tv Shows right? So I think you just need to watch what you are uploading.
Plus, I don't think they will be able to totally remove all of the website content pirated stuff, I've seen many torrents sites claimed that they needed to shut down, but couple months later, they're active again, just sort of 'underground' - like not try to promote the site, not try to bring them on facebook, twitter etc... Like ghostly exist.
With that in mind, I will not do the stuff you wanted me to do in the post. I don't think it's a good idea to make a scene - it just helps the SOPA convinces the congress even more that there is the crisis. Again, I opt for "Ghost Protocol", rather than fighting head-to-head, we will lose, I assure you.
The key of unlimitedness of internet is that getting around the laws, NOT fighting against it (because we are not right in the first place).
Like they are trying to control drugs and weeds for decades now, yet it's still out there. They can NEVER stop us, no matter what laws they pass
And I don't see why any company would need to create a "downloading crisis" while there already IS a crisis, how many people download stuff from internet, include you & me, every day? Billions.
I understand that not all of people can afford the stuff being selling, I myself can not afford all of BoA's production for example, that's why I need to download stuff. And also, for example, shows in Korea/Japan, there's no way we can watch it or even pay for the cable TV to watch it, that's why we need to download. But I don't re-sale it or try to make money from it. However, a lot of people out there they are making money from selling pirated stuff. Sadly that the laws will not distinguish what kind of pirate you are, in their eyes, pirating is pirating.
Anyway, I'm kinda in the "gray" area when it comes to pirating, i.e I download them just for my personal use and don't try to make profit from them. And like I don't upload an ISO of BoA's CD/DVD just after 1 day it was released.
Also, we all see that new MVs are usually being removed from Youtube, but not for the Tv Shows right? So I think you just need to watch what you are uploading.
Plus, I don't think they will be able to totally remove all of the website content pirated stuff, I've seen many torrents sites claimed that they needed to shut down, but couple months later, they're active again, just sort of 'underground' - like not try to promote the site, not try to bring them on facebook, twitter etc... Like ghostly exist.
With that in mind, I will not do the stuff you wanted me to do in the post. I don't think it's a good idea to make a scene - it just helps the SOPA convinces the congress even more that there is the crisis. Again, I opt for "Ghost Protocol", rather than fighting head-to-head, we will lose, I assure you.
The key of unlimitedness of internet is that getting around the laws, NOT fighting against it (because we are not right in the first place).
Like they are trying to control drugs and weeds for decades now, yet it's still out there. They can NEVER stop us, no matter what laws they pass
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Posted 25 December 2011 - 03:38 AM
Unfortunately, you're falling for the hype. Yes, pirating is wrong, but that's NOT why this bill has been created. Piracy is only being used as an excuse for this bill.
The companies supporting this law MADE the software and ENCOURAGED people to download things illegally. They profited from the software (via ad revenues). They did this to get people used to downloading things illegally, to create a "piracy crisis". With this "crisis", they convinced Congress to write this bill.
The bill's intention is to crack down on sites LINKING to illegal content--Facebook, Twitter, etc.--because those are sites where people of all political persuasions communicate. YouTube is being targeted, because that's where people post videos of police/military brutality from all over the world. It's called censorship, and the type of site blocking is the EXACT type being used in China right now, for that same purpose: Stifling communication.
DNS blocking is very different from the current model of just shutting down a site providing pirated content. This bill, if passed, will adversely affect small businesses, as well. If somebody puts homemade Hello Kitty stuff on Etsy, boom--Etsy's domain name will be removed from the DNS servers. No trial in a court of law. This means nobody will be able to visit Etsy.com, and all the people creating legitimate merchandise can't sell what they make.
Not to mention, the internet service providers are gearing up toward making the internet like television--you can only access what they want.
I don't see what you think you'll achieve by quietly allowing SOPA to pass. This hurts people's ability to access information, particularly political information, which is attacking the heart of our democracy. It hurts small business, and many other people who aren't even involved with piracy--just people who use sites that have been used to pirate material.
SOPA isn't about whether determined people can continue downloading files illegally. It's about freedom of information and freedom from censorship.
The companies supporting this law MADE the software and ENCOURAGED people to download things illegally. They profited from the software (via ad revenues). They did this to get people used to downloading things illegally, to create a "piracy crisis". With this "crisis", they convinced Congress to write this bill.
The bill's intention is to crack down on sites LINKING to illegal content--Facebook, Twitter, etc.--because those are sites where people of all political persuasions communicate. YouTube is being targeted, because that's where people post videos of police/military brutality from all over the world. It's called censorship, and the type of site blocking is the EXACT type being used in China right now, for that same purpose: Stifling communication.
DNS blocking is very different from the current model of just shutting down a site providing pirated content. This bill, if passed, will adversely affect small businesses, as well. If somebody puts homemade Hello Kitty stuff on Etsy, boom--Etsy's domain name will be removed from the DNS servers. No trial in a court of law. This means nobody will be able to visit Etsy.com, and all the people creating legitimate merchandise can't sell what they make.
Not to mention, the internet service providers are gearing up toward making the internet like television--you can only access what they want.
I don't see what you think you'll achieve by quietly allowing SOPA to pass. This hurts people's ability to access information, particularly political information, which is attacking the heart of our democracy. It hurts small business, and many other people who aren't even involved with piracy--just people who use sites that have been used to pirate material.
SOPA isn't about whether determined people can continue downloading files illegally. It's about freedom of information and freedom from censorship.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM
hinachan, on 25 December 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:
Unfortunately, you're falling for the hype. Yes, pirating is wrong, but that's NOT why this bill has been created. Piracy is only being used as an excuse for this bill.
The companies supporting this law MADE the software and ENCOURAGED people to download things illegally. They profited from the software (via ad revenues). They did this to get people used to downloading things illegally, to create a "piracy crisis". With this "crisis", they convinced Congress to write this bill.
The bill's intention is to crack down on sites LINKING to illegal content--Facebook, Twitter, etc.--because those are sites where people of all political persuasions communicate. YouTube is being targeted, because that's where people post videos of police/military brutality from all over the world. It's called censorship, and the type of site blocking is the EXACT type being used in China right now, for that same purpose: Stifling communication.
DNS blocking is very different from the current model of just shutting down a site providing pirated content. This bill, if passed, will adversely affect small businesses, as well. If somebody puts homemade Hello Kitty stuff on Etsy, boom--Etsy's domain name will be removed from the DNS servers. No trial in a court of law. This means nobody will be able to visit Etsy.com, and all the people creating legitimate merchandise can't sell what they make.
Not to mention, the internet service providers are gearing up toward making the internet like television--you can only access what they want.
I don't see what you think you'll achieve by quietly allowing SOPA to pass. This hurts people's ability to access information, particularly political information, which is attacking the heart of our democracy. It hurts small business, and many other people who aren't even involved with piracy--just people who use sites that have been used to pirate material.
SOPA isn't about whether determined people can continue downloading files illegally. It's about freedom of information and freedom from censorship.
The companies supporting this law MADE the software and ENCOURAGED people to download things illegally. They profited from the software (via ad revenues). They did this to get people used to downloading things illegally, to create a "piracy crisis". With this "crisis", they convinced Congress to write this bill.
The bill's intention is to crack down on sites LINKING to illegal content--Facebook, Twitter, etc.--because those are sites where people of all political persuasions communicate. YouTube is being targeted, because that's where people post videos of police/military brutality from all over the world. It's called censorship, and the type of site blocking is the EXACT type being used in China right now, for that same purpose: Stifling communication.
DNS blocking is very different from the current model of just shutting down a site providing pirated content. This bill, if passed, will adversely affect small businesses, as well. If somebody puts homemade Hello Kitty stuff on Etsy, boom--Etsy's domain name will be removed from the DNS servers. No trial in a court of law. This means nobody will be able to visit Etsy.com, and all the people creating legitimate merchandise can't sell what they make.
Not to mention, the internet service providers are gearing up toward making the internet like television--you can only access what they want.
I don't see what you think you'll achieve by quietly allowing SOPA to pass. This hurts people's ability to access information, particularly political information, which is attacking the heart of our democracy. It hurts small business, and many other people who aren't even involved with piracy--just people who use sites that have been used to pirate material.
SOPA isn't about whether determined people can continue downloading files illegally. It's about freedom of information and freedom from censorship.
But I still have the question on whether those companies MADE the file-sharing software or just DISTRIBUTEd them? I didn't see any where in the video that they had the evidence that the companies MADE the softwares, but distributing. Remember, the software itself are created not for the purpose of stealing stuff from internet, for example I can say BitTorrent was invented for the purpose of sharing files peer-to-peer, files can be my homework slides and I need to share it to my classmates in the quickest & easiest way; same with DRM remover, it can be used for the purpose of putting your e-book in your personal device like phone, besides your Kindle.
It IS the people who decided to use those software for sharing copyrighted content. The software is not illegal, distributing the softwares is not illegal, but using the software in the purpose of stealing IS illegal. Like I'm the owner of a gun store, I distribute guns, that's totally fine, but you buy my guns and go kill some body, now that's on you, not me. You know what I mean?
Linking to the file-sharing software is totally different from linking to pirated content! Again, file-sharing software is NOT illegal or "wrong", but the pirated content is wrong in the first place.
And I don't see how they will try to control Facebook in purpose of stiffing the communication.( BTW, The thing they are doing in Vietnam and China, blocking Facebook by DNS is totally wrong, it severely violates the citizen's freedom. The government faced a lot of bashing from people, and the internet companies suffered, so that they gotta unblock Facebook eventually, at least in Vietnam). For example, if my Facebook doesn't have any link to illegal content, they have no right to take it down because it violates the right of freedom. Also, they can't just simply block the entire Facebook, they can just block the account then violates, and if Facebook remove that account, that means Facebook has no illegal content, then how can they keep blocking it? Same for the Etsy.
If some thing will violate human's rights, I don't think it would be let it go easy.
For some thing happened, there is a lot of interpretation. I fell for a hype, you probably fell for the other, if you know what I mean. I'm not trying to pick any side here, I'm just simply saying what I understand and see from this.
Edited by yunapolaris, 12 January 2012 - 12:46 PM.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 03:03 PM
yunapolaris, on 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
After watching the video (I admit I didn't watch the video first time since I thought hina's chan post explained clearly), I get it now.
But I still have the question on whether those companies MADE the file-sharing software or just DISTRIBUTEd them? I didn't see any where in the video that they had the evidence that the companies MADE the softwares, but distributing. Remember, the software itself are created not for the purpose of stealing stuff from internet
But I still have the question on whether those companies MADE the file-sharing software or just DISTRIBUTEd them? I didn't see any where in the video that they had the evidence that the companies MADE the softwares, but distributing. Remember, the software itself are created not for the purpose of stealing stuff from internet
yunapolaris, on 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
for example I can say BitTorrent was invented for the purpose of sharing files peer-to-peer, files can be my homework slides and I need to share it to my classmates in the quickest & easiest way
yunapolaris, on 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
same with DRM remover, it can be used for the purpose of putting your e-book in your personal device like phone, besides your Kindle.
yunapolaris, on 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
It IS the people who decided to use those software for sharing copyrighted content.
Something else that's pretty slimy about the cable companies: They lure you with high speeds, get people used to downloading songs, videos, and movies from places like Netflix.... Then they start setting bandwidth limits on their services as an excuse to charge you extra for going beyond the allotted bandwidth. But that's never in the sales pitch, only the fine print.
yunapolaris, on 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
The software is not illegal, distributing the softwares is not illegal, but using the software in the purpose of stealing IS illegal. Like I'm the owner of a gun store, I distribute guns, that's totally fine, but you buy my guns and go kill some body, now that's on you, not me. You know what I mean?
yunapolaris, on 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
Linking to the file-sharing software is totally different from linking to pirated content!
yunapolaris, on 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
For example, if my Facebook doesn't have any link to illegal content, they have no right to take it down because it violates the right of freedom. Also, they can't just simply block the entire Facebook, they can just block the account then violates, and if Facebook remove that account, that means Facebook has no illegal content, then how can they keep blocking it?
yunapolaris, on 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
If some thing will violate human's rights, I don't think it would be let it go easy.
Also, check out my latest post here in the Lounge, about one of the popular file hosting sites. Even without SOPA, it has been shut down with no trial and no due process. That's illegal, and their lawyer is trying to fight it. If this is happening now, imagine how bad things could get if a law like SOPA (or its evil twin PIPA) is passed.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:21 PM
After I read everything you wrote, I did read lots about SOPA too. I did put the video on my Facebook after I saw they posted in Craiglist too.
I tried my best. For now I just hope this ridiculously stupid bill will not be passed...
I tried my best. For now I just hope this ridiculously stupid bill will not be passed...
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:04 AM
Same here! Even though I am from overseas, I will pretty much be quite affected 'cos someone came up with a stupid bill. hare share the video on Facebook now.
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