http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqrrmev4mA

Wayyyy too many things to talk about lol.

Oh ye there was another thread saying that Gaga had lupis.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20390199,00.html

She was tested for it and is borderline positive. I don't know how that happens, you either have it or you don't but that's what it says. Lupis is a deadly disease where your immune system starts attacking itself.

i was so scared when my mom told me might have lupis. thank god she is borderline.

NOW THE VIDEO:

i loved it! i was expecting a totaly different video, but it is way better. i love how she incorporated the whole "don't ask, don't tell" thing in there. and the story is wonderful. people say they don't get it. but its so simple and obvious. oh and in the begining with the glasses\head thingy she wore, she kinda looked like the faun from the movie pan's labyrinth.

Again...
As expected from her, I really dislike her MVs...

^Why do you dislike it?

There are better treatments for lupus now. I think most people get an extra 10 - 15 years to live after the diagnosis, which is good considering lupus is a fatal disease.

I admit it's a bit extreme with the nakedness and sexual scenes, but I think I can understand the vid. Basically she is trying to get with the gay guys because they have what she is looking for in a guy, but they keep pushing her away. I figured they were gay cause of the bed scene where they're wearing high heels, but it also makes sense when you listen to the lyrics of the song. It competes with the creativity of Bad Romance. As usual, her mug isn't pleasant to look at, but she looks decent with her hair pulled back wearing the white robe. She's also wearing clothes towards the end!

^ Me just no like sexuality in MVs & the outfits are just too much for me...
I'm not sayin it's not nice, just that I personally dislike it...

Music video is very gay...

First things first, WAY TOO LONG! It wasn't like Paparazzi or Telephone yet this video of the remixed song is 8 minutes long. GAGA MAKE A REGULAR LENGTH MUSIC VIDEO PLEASE. I also thought it was overboard with sex, but it's Lady GayGay, what did we expect? However looking at the dudes motivates me to work out harder Those are only bad things.

Outfits are very Gaga, very out of the world but Gaga makes it looks good and that's what I like about her. THE GUN BOOBS was the LOL Now all we need is for Gaga to put her boobs on automatic mode and kill everyone. Lastly I really enjoyed the bowl cuts...that was my hairstyle when I was a kid, very good memories NOT. I wonder if bowl cuts will be the new thing after this.

I agree, the level or creativity competes with Bad Romance. Does anyone else notice Bad Romance is full or white, while Alejandro is very dark? Quite interesting! But Bad Romance is still superior, though Alejandro is FAR better than Telephone. Telephone was just a mess.

the video kinda irks me a bit.

too much explicit sex scenes and religious thing ( upsided cross on her crotch ??) a bit too much...

the outfits? no surprise in that. it's lady gaga we're talking. no weird clothes no fun. though she looks better with that black (half) suit she wear. nice lipstick color (sorry~ i'm a girl can't help it). and voila~ one of Lady Gaga's finest creations : Boob's On Bullets LOL that made me laugh!

i love how she incorporated the whole "don't ask, don't tell" thing in there. and the story is wonderful. people say they don't get it. but its so simple and obvious. oh and in the begining with the glasses\head thingy she wore, she kinda looked like the faun from the movie pan's labyrinth.
http://www.panbeadssales.com/

I love absolutely everything of Lady Gaga's
With the exception of this video...

I found a few things annoying about it,
(Despite that it is a very beautiful video)

a ) She is trying way way too hard to top Madonna
b ) Putting upside down crosses on your junk is a ploy to get attention,
& a ploy to top the controversy Madonna stirred up in her prime
c ) The sex scenes are basically borderline porn.... only there is a cross in the way :/

Its a well made video but,
Despite the artistic side of it,
I think its using art to cover up the main idea,
& I think the main idea is to garner as much attention as she possibly can,
Since she has to live up to her name & top herself...

Lady Gaga isn't stupid when it comes to business.
I'm positive she knows it will get her hoards of attention from the mere content of it.
Part of it can be seen as meaningful but honestly the meaning gets lost
if you throw sex & controversy on top of it, just for the mere sake of it.

THAT BEING SAID,
I actually like the video.
I just dont think children should see it,
I don't think it should be public without severe editing,
& I don't like the fact that its for getting attention.
But I can't deny that its a gorgeous & well edited/directed video.



OH also,
The song is (imo) a ripoff of Ace of Base's "Dont Turn Away".

@enkyori

1. Red One and lady gaga sampled Ace of Bass and ABBA for this song.

2. Everyone knows Lady Gaga is an innovator - she takes stuff Madonna invented and turns it into something a lil different.

3. The swallowing of the rosary symbolizes being forced into Catholicism.

4. The song is about Lady Gaga and her relationship with homosexual guys. Catholicism is infamous for its anti-gay sentiments.

5. Sex scenes depict homosexual sex. The songs's dedicated ot the LGBT community. Have you been to a Gay Pride parade perhaps?

6. Who the hell would think of letting children watch or listen to Lady Gaga? Lady Gaga's target audience is 20+ year olds who go clubbing.

That would be like thinking hard core porn (or Lady Gaga) is too much for children hence they they should censor and blur it, turn it into soft porn (turn Lady Gaga into a Disney star turned slut like Miley Cyrus or Britney Spears), which is even more stupid since porn (or artists who like to sing sexually suggestive songs) isn't even meant for children.

7. Again with the children. That would be like letting a child watch Madonna's numerous other music videos which are basically straight out right porn. If you think this looked like porn you haven't even seen Madonna MV's or porn itself.

^

a)Thank you! I didn't know that and it makes me respect the song a lot more. I loved the song, just didn't respect it before.

I know this, however it gets to a point where its too much for my taste. Taking one or two Madonna elements, thats fine. Taking like ... a million (please, don't make me break down the video and explain every part of it, if you know about Madonna's old career you'll just see how stuffed with Madonna things it is) I'm not saying its copying, but an influence shouldn't completely dominate something.

c)I know. And I think throwing in some artistic stuff here & there in between a bunch of controversy is done as a way to make the whole thing seem deeper than it is. People do it all the time. You have a base meaning then throw sex & controversy on top of it so people will watch.

d)I never disagreed with this, I know about catholocism... I dont see your point. Honestly you can't just say "catholics hate gays so I will wear crosses on my junk..." I dont see how that has any MEANING. Its like me saying "vegetarians hate eating meat so I will make a video of me stuffing my face with dead animals". I'm not saying I agree with homophobia, but I also dont see how this is making a statement against homophobia. In fact it re-enforcing steriotypes in some ways.

e)The sex scenes depict heterosexual sex, with gay men, actually. & yes I've been to a pride parade. You're talking to a member of the LGBT community in fact.

f) Who, you ask? Well,.... MTV, VHI, HMV, the music industry, some stupid parents, and all of the internet. Lmao. Her audience is anyone who will listen & boost her fame. 20+ year olds just happen to be the majority of them.
If you think there aren't thousands and thousands of children watching this, watching one of the most popular female pop stars in the industry right now, then you're crazy. Everyone around the world is watching Lady Gaga right now. Check out the view numbers on Alejandro TWO DAYS after it came out.

"That would be like thinking hard core porn (or Lady Gaga) is too much for children hence they they should censor and blur it, turn it into soft porn (turn Lady Gaga into a Disney star turned slut like Miley Cyrus or Britney Spears), which is even more stupid since porn (or artists who like to sing sexually suggestive songs) isn't even meant for children."

Wtf. Thats so... detailed & irrelevant. Just becuase it was not created FOR children, doesn't mean she doesn't know thousands of them will be watching this, some even idolizing her. Secondly, you call Miley Cyrus & Britney Spears sluts for being sexual, but defending Lady Gaga when she simulates screwing like 10 men at the same time with upside down crosses all over her? . I'm not even going to say anything else about that... its too ridiculous.

g)There you go, tearing up Madonna for having sensual videos and defending Gaga who does the same.

First of all, if you don't think a guy lifting a girls leg and thrusting with her from behind while she wears a flesh colored suit looks like porn, then you shouldn't even reply. Justify my Love & Erotica (Madonna songs, since I have to assume you haven't seen then since you think lady gaga is tame compared to it) weren't as .....BLUNT as Alejandro. They just weren't.

It can be fatal, but it's not necessarily a death sentence. My aunt had a friend with lupus, who nearly died because the idiot doctors didn't diagnose her (um, butterfly rash, hel-LO!), but once she was on proper treatment, she was able to hold down a full-time job, thank God.


WTH?!? She's very pretty!

Funny how nobody has mentioned that this song sounds EXACTLY like early Ace Of Base.

^ I mentioned it at the end of my first post :0

I think the video is well made and it does convey the subversion of gays in the military but the religious aspect could have been a bit more........ tasteful. Pushing the envelope about a political issue is all good and fine but if you just cover it up in sex you lose some credibility. You could say that sexual liberation is a big part of her identity as an artist but still, with this sort of a message what you want to say should be more important than your image.

On a side note, im kind of getting sick of the Madonna and Gaga comparisons. Imo Madonna's a legendary icon and Lady Gaga will never surpass her, never. (Not even by copying her and adding unnecessary, distracting shock tactics into it)

^ I AGREE COMPLETELY. Except for the last part about Madonna.
Time will tell, we have to wait and see.

I'm sorry, but I had to point out this glaring contradiction. An innovator is someone who innovates; a creator of new ideas. If Lady Gaga is taking stuff from Madonna, she's clearly not an innovator. Doesn't matter that she's not copying Madonna; making something that Madonna did slightly different does not make it new and therefore it is not innovative.

I'll admit she's different, eccentric and unique, but an innovator she is not, in terms of her music and music videos. Fashion wise, it's a different story.

But as far as this video goes, it felt like borderline pron, while throwing it in the Catholic church's face. I felt it was unnecessary and rather tasteless, even for a Lady Gaga vid.

i love everything that lady gaga squeezes out of her gay-loving, gun-boobed, discosparkled imagination.



my aunt has lupus, she does really well. its highly treatable these days.

I like her for being creative, talented, artistic and a good singer, but I don't like some of her videos it went too far.

Ace of Base was an influence, but there's no way she sampled ABBA for this song. How do I know? Because ABBA's songwriters and record company are so litigious and greedy, that they'd expect money (as they did of Madonna when she sampled ABBA's "Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!"). And if that money wasn't forthcoming, those people would sue her. As a longtime ABBA fan, who's nevertheless disappointed by the group's greed, I know this for a fact.


IIRC, Lady Gaga said she intended it as a tribute to Madonna, didn't she?


I agree, her lyrics and stuff are a bit more than kids should be exposed to. However, you see a lot of kids at her concerts, dressing like her, so there are kids listening to her music. You'll recall that the Spice Girls' lyrics were often sexually charged (like "2 Become 1"), yet they had legions of young fans. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just that it is....


Again, like Lady Gaga, Madonna had a lot of very young fans in the early part of her career. I remember one mother writing to a magazine complaining about her 8-year-old going around the house singing, "Like a virgin, touched for the very first time."

Thing is, pop/rock music has been heavily sexual from the earliest days, with artists like Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, and the like shocking parents with their lyrics. When I was a kid, I actually listened to those records because my mom had them in her collection back when she was a teen. I didn't understand what the lyrics meant back then, and I'm sure a lot of the young kids listening to Madonna, Britney, Lady Gaga, etc., don't have a clue, either.

Still, there's the eternal struggle between parents and artists, because kids always want to listen to what's current and cool. That's why it saddens me when kids like Miley Cyrus start acting too raunchy too soon.

ON EDIT: I'm not criticizing/arguing with you, Mashimaro-san...I just find your posts interesting, and they inspire me to add to the conversation.

^ Agreed, though I think despite being young & not understanding the lyrics, the video is blatant enough to get an idea.
I doubt they'll think the bed scenes are nothing but dancing :0

@hinachan
Lady Gaga and RedOne did say they sampled Ace of Base and the song was influenced by ABBA as well. I might have used the wrong term.

Influence doesn't always have to be evident. I mean just because the song is ABBA influenced that the ABBA people will go crazy about it. It's like culture.

For example, in Filipino the word for ant is "holmigas" while in Spanish it's 'hormigas", but everyone in Philippines think the word is Malaysian since it doesn't sound Spanish-y enough. That''s an example of influence, it exist but so minimal/subtle that no one ever thinks that it was a borrowed/influenced word.

ABBA folks probably never thought it was influenced by them since the influence is so subtle.

Also, I honestly don't care if Lady Gaga releases a music video that's practically porn. If parents find it offensive, well then they can write to stations or whatever.

If I had children I'd still listen to it by myself, and I wont expose my kids to it because as a parent I know it's not appropriate to them but it's appropriate for me.

If they somehow found out about the music video and the concept of sex, then it's sex education class time. Better being educated than ignorant and helpless. Sexuality is part of being human and it's a natural.

Besides I didn't even find the choreography slutty at all. They weren't gyrating their bewbs or showing their genitals. It is sexual but it's only a tad bit slutty.

You want slutty, even Christina Aguilera's Dirty and Not Myself Tonight is sluttier than this.

I guess simulating sex isn't enough for mashimaro lol

well, I loved the video, the whole idea and concept about it. it was extremelly well-edited... but there were some stuff I would just take off the vid.

like the end scene + the black and white dance scene. srsly, who ever heard the song is TIRED of listen to "ale-alejandro, ale-alejandro" LMAO. and it's not only about the annoying song part (she could have written a new part for the vid, couldn't she? there's no conversations there and it's double the lenght of the song lol): the ending scene, where she starts ale-alejandro all over again is just unecessary.

Imo, the vid is too long.

I'm not against having sexual meanings or whatever.

What really made me a lil bit confused is: where's "Hot like Mexico, rejoice" ? :C I seriously thought of a vid less dramatic and a lil bit more fun and colorful hahaha

well, I was wrong. still, I enjoyed the video and I really hope those comparisons end. srsly, ppl. Lady GaGa should change her name to Lady GaMadonnaGraceJonesAceofBaseAguioleraSpearsEVERYBODYWHOEVEREXISTEDGa \facepalm

I looove her songs, her music, her vids and her personality. she's "copying" madonna here and there? I dunno, 'cause we didn't saw a scene in her vids as obvious as NMT copying express yourself, still ppl insists she can't make her own music, and she would be nothing without the others who came before her.

stop and think: no spears, aguilera, spice girls etc etc would be who they are/were without ppl from the 1960s~80s.

In this day & age its not that simple anymore.
No matter what parents do, children always have access to view almost anything.
Its the parents job to monitor, but they can't catch everything or hover over their children 24/7
(thats not healthy anyhow)



It only seems that way because Dirrty(sic) wasn't done artfully.
If you take away the pretty distractions, Alejandro is more sexually charged.

Staging sexual scenes= pornography.
She uses it to make her famous, and her style is not new it's remind me a mix between Ayumi and Koda Kumi sometimes.
Sex sells...

1st : ugh! the video length is just too long.
2nd : aaahh~ I wish she would make up her face more naturally (like in Bad Romance. when she lied on the floor).
3rd : this MV must not allow to be release in my country. AGAIN. if yes, they must release edited version (no NC).